{"id":13724,"date":"2021-02-19T10:44:26","date_gmt":"2021-02-19T08:44:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/?p=13724"},"modified":"2021-02-19T12:13:06","modified_gmt":"2021-02-19T10:13:06","slug":"muddersprooch-in-american-english","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/en\/muddersprooch-in-american-english\/","title":{"rendered":"Muddersprooch in American English"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>For Palatinate locals, a journey to Pennsylvania is a journey to their inner self. To their own language and culture of the past. For this is where the Pennsilfaanisch Deitsche live\u2014people, who emigrated from the Palatinate, and still maintain their old dialect. In this interview, linguist Dr. Michael Werner talks about a form of Palatinate dialect that knows no \u201calla hopp,\u201d about creepy \u201cElwedritsche\u201d and about marmot Bert, who recently started living in a Palatinate wine barrel.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Michael Werner is right on the ball. He holds a wooden figure from Pennsylvania into the camera as soon as the video interview starts. It looks scary: a feathered something with a creepy face. It is an \u201cElwedritsch.\u201d The American mythical creature is not even nearly as funny as its relatives from the Palatinate. \u201cBelzenickel\u201d that Werner shows us immediately afterwards, makes a creepy impression as well: Every year at Christmas, this weird fellow comes to children in Pennsylvania. He is, however, more reminiscent of the grim servant Knecht Ruprecht than of the friendly Saint Nicholas. With these creatures, Michael takes us right into the middle of the history of the Electoral Palatinate and goes on to talk about the traces he has found in the US, points out similarities and refers to connections to as far back as Indian and Germanic mythology. It\u2019s time to bring him back to the present for a moment.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13687\" style=\"width: 1010px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Bild-11-Schteebruch-Weg-Werner.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13687\" class=\"wp-image-13687 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Bild-11-Schteebruch-Weg-Werner.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Bild-11-Schteebruch-Weg-Werner.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Bild-11-Schteebruch-Weg-Werner-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Bild-11-Schteebruch-Weg-Werner-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-13687\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Two languages: Street sign in Pennsylvania.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong><em>Wilkum, wie bischt? (Welcome, how are you?)<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Michael Werner<\/strong>: [laughing] Ganz guud. (Quite fine.)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>This is where my knowledge of Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch has already come to an end. Anyway, would I be able to get by with knowledge of the Palatinate dialect in Pennsylvania today?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner<\/strong><em>:\u00a0<\/em>You\u2019ll be fine as long as you\u2019re in Pennsilfaanisch-Deitschland, the region north of Philadelphia. The Deitsch, or Dutch, which is spoken there, is 80 percent similar to our present-day Palatinate. It equals the Electoral Palatinate dialect that was spoken until the 18<sup>th<\/sup> century in an area about 20 kilometres around Mannheim and Heidelberg. But of course there are differences as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h6>Listen and learn: A lesson in Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch.<\/h6>\n<div class=\"BorlabsCookie _brlbs-cb-default\">\n<div class=\"_brlbs-content-blocker\">\n<div class=\"_brlbs-default\">\n<p>Klicken Sie auf den unteren Button, um den Inhalt von soundcloud.com zu laden.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"_brlbs-btn\" href=\"#\" data-borlabs-cookie-unblock role=\"button\">Inhalt laden<\/a><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"borlabs-hide\" data-borlabs-cookie-type=\"content-blocker\" data-borlabs-cookie-id=\"default\"><script type=\"text\/template\">PGlmcmFtZSB0aXRsZT0iQWxpY2UgU3BheWQmIzAzOTtzIFBlbm5zeWx2YW5pYSBHZXJtYW4gV2VicmFkaW8gQ2xhc3M6IExlc3NvbiAxIGJ5IEhpd3dlIFdpZSBEcml3d2UiIHdpZHRoPSI1MDAiIGhlaWdodD0iNDAwIiBzY3JvbGxpbmc9Im5vIiBmcmFtZWJvcmRlcj0ibm8iIHNyYz0iaHR0cHM6Ly93LnNvdW5kY2xvdWQuY29tL3BsYXllci8\/dmlzdWFsPXRydWUmdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGYXBpLnNvdW5kY2xvdWQuY29tJTJGdHJhY2tzJTJGMTM4OTM4NDI4JnNob3dfYXJ0d29yaz10cnVlJm1heGhlaWdodD03NTAmbWF4d2lkdGg9NTAwIj48L2lmcmFtZT4=<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>What are these differences?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner<\/strong>: In Deitsch there is no \u201calla\u201d and hence no \u201calla hopp!\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>You must be joking: Palatinate dialect without \u201calla hopp?\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Michael Werner:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, \u201calla hopp\u201d obviously immigrated to the Palatinate after a number of Palatinate locals had emigrated from it. \u201cAlla hopp\u201d is borrowed from the French \u201callons\u201d and apparently sneaked into Palatinate not before the end of the 18<sup>th<\/sup> century, like many French terms did. The major migration flows had taken place before that, in the 17<sup>th<\/sup> and 18<sup>th<\/sup> century. So, Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch doesn\u2019t\u00a0 have any French loanwords. In return, a number of English terms slipped in.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>Like \u2018wilkum\u2019 that sounds almost like \u2018welcome?\u2019<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Michael Werner<\/strong>: Yes, there are lots of German-American mixtures. Like \u201cmir hickele\u201d (wir h\u00fcpfen = we hop) that became \u201cmer dschumbe.\u201d And there are terms, whose meaning changed over time, such as \u201chalt an!\u201d Its original German meaning, \u201cstop,\u201d was turned upside down by the adaptation of the English meaning of \u201chold on.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Michael Werner is a linguist\u2014with a preference for linguistic and historic mysteries. He tracks terms, myths and customs across continents, cultures and centuries. Michael is from Frankenthal, studied linguistics in Mannheim and did his doctorate about the Palatinate dialect. He is particularly fascinated about the history of the migrants from the Palatinate in the US. He edits the <a href=\"https:\/\/hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pennsylvanian Dutch \u201cHiwwe wie driwwe\u201d journal<\/a> and gave his support during the research work for the successful film of the same name, which was even on at the cinemas. His ReiseVERf\u00fchrer (literally \u2018travel guide to attraction\u2019) with stories from Pennsylvania will soon be available. Another one of his projects is the band \u201cNew Paltz\u201d he has joined, which mixes American Folk music and deitsche lyrics. And once every year, there is the <a href=\"https:\/\/dpak.wordpress.com\/english-version\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">German-Pennsylvanian Day<\/a>, where Michael gets involved as organizer and whose location alternates between municipalities in the Palatinate and the Electoral Palatinate (English version link: https:\/\/dpak.wordpress.com\/english-version\/). Michael was presented with the Hermann-Sinsheimer-Plakette award by the town of Freinsheim in 2020 for his efforts in transatlantic Palatinate understanding.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h6>Take a lock: Trailer to &#8220;Hiwwe wie Driwwe &#8211; Pf\u00e4lzisch in Amerika&#8221;.<\/h6>\n<div class=\"BorlabsCookie _brlbs-cb-youtube\">\n<div class=\"_brlbs-content-blocker\">\n<div class=\"_brlbs-embed _brlbs-video-youtube\"> <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"_brlbs-thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/plugins\/borlabs-cookie\/assets\/images\/cb-no-thumbnail.png\" alt=\"YouTube\"> <\/p>\n<div class=\"_brlbs-caption\">\n<p>Mit dem Laden des Videos akzeptieren Sie die Datenschutzerkl\u00e4rung von YouTube.<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/policies.google.com\/privacy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Mehr erfahren<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"_brlbs-btn _brlbs-icon-play-white\" href=\"#\" data-borlabs-cookie-unblock role=\"button\">Video laden<\/a><\/p>\n<p><label><input type=\"checkbox\" name=\"unblockAll\" value=\"1\" checked> <small>YouTube immer entsperren<\/small><\/label><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"borlabs-hide\" data-borlabs-cookie-type=\"content-blocker\" data-borlabs-cookie-id=\"youtube\"><script type=\"text\/template\">PGlmcmFtZSB0aXRsZT0iSGl3d2Ugd2llIERyaXd3ZSAtIFBmw6RsemlzY2ggaW4gQW1lcmlrYSAtIFRyYWlsZXIiIHdpZHRoPSI1MDAiIGhlaWdodD0iMjgxIiBzcmM9Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUtbm9jb29raWUuY29tL2VtYmVkL0JQWGwyUFZDcGRjP2ZlYXR1cmU9b2VtYmVkIiBmcmFtZWJvcmRlcj0iMCIgYWxsb3c9ImFjY2VsZXJvbWV0ZXI7IGF1dG9wbGF5OyBjbGlwYm9hcmQtd3JpdGU7IGVuY3J5cHRlZC1tZWRpYTsgZ3lyb3Njb3BlOyBwaWN0dXJlLWluLXBpY3R1cmU7IHdlYi1zaGFyZSIgcmVmZXJyZXJwb2xpY3k9InN0cmljdC1vcmlnaW4td2hlbi1jcm9zcy1vcmlnaW4iIGFsbG93ZnVsbHNjcmVlbj48L2lmcmFtZT4=<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>What is it that fascinates you so much about the dialect?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:\u00a0<\/strong>I always found it exciting that people can have more than just one linguistic system. I hardly spoke dialect at home with my parents, but I was able to switch to extreme Palatinate speech as soon as I came to my grandparents. This doesn\u2019t happen out of intention like it does with a foreign language, but rather automatically. Dialect is part of our identity, a direct link to childhood.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>How did you come across Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner<\/strong>: As a linguist, I investigated the Palatinate migrants, among others. And for a dialectologist, it is pure blessing that the dialect has been conserved in the US to date! Pennsylvania is kind of a living museum for Palatinate people\u2014I can go there and dive into my past in terms of language and culture.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>Why is this so? Why hasn\u2019t the dialect died out over the centuries?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:<\/strong> The reason is the strong sense of community there. It roots back to William Penn, the founder of the colony of Pennsylvania. He was a Quaker and went looking for fellow migrants in the Palatinate, before he emigrated. In the course of time, more and more people, who were discriminated against in Europe because of their belief, followed this path: Quakers, Lutherans, Mennonites. They settled as farmers and held on to their land for centuries. Even today, you find families there, who are the twelfth generation to run the farm of their ancestors from the 17<sup>th<\/sup> century.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Deitsch_Eck.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13690 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Deitsch_Eck.jpg\" alt=\"Deitsch Eck - Schild eines Restaurants in Pennsylvania.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Deitsch_Eck.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Deitsch_Eck-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Deitsch_Eck-768x1024.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>wo sonst:\u00a0<\/strong><em>Which doesn\u2019t explain why they still speak the same language.<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:<\/strong> The reasons are manifold. There are Americans of German origin, who have adapted American culture to a great extent. Among these, the dialect will probably become extinct sooner or later. Then, there are the Amish and Mennonites. Their children learn Deitsch right from birth. This is simply expected of them. Some 400,000 people speak it and the figure may double every 20 years, because there are many large families there. In fact, it is the fastest-growing non-English speaking language community in the US.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>You have been to Pennsylvania very often. Is the Palatinate dialect a key to the people there as well?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:<\/strong> Absolutely! The communities have much in common in terms of language and culture. You can easily enter into a conversation when you order apples using the Palatinate dialect on a farmer\u2019s market there. .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>But there are great differences as well, right? Particularly in terms of lifestyle.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner<\/strong>: Yes, these differences exist. The Pennsilfaanisch Deitsche community is generally very conservative, very republican. This is rooted in the pioneering era, when three things used to be sacred to people: the Bible, their arms and their entrepreneurial spirit. And to this day they deeply mistrust everything and everybody that dares to restrict these things. Well, the dialect gives you the opportunity to gain a different insight, to get to know their perspective and what\u2019s behind it\u2014this can be very exciting and you learn a lot.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst<\/strong>: Is this the reason you are committed to the transatlantic relationship between Palatinate people?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes, and I want to point out that there is no such thing as \u201cthe Americans,\u201d but that some of the people who live there are actually very similar to us. And in their language and customs, things that got lost here through wars and industrialization, have actually been preserved there for over 300 years. We can learn a whole lot from them about our own identity. I learnt, for example, what\u2019s behind Bi-Ba-Butzemann, because he still stands on the fields in Pennsylvania and watches over the harvest. This original meaning has been lost here for a long time. And did you know that the tradition of \u2018marmot day\u2019 used to be a Palatinate custom?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_13696\" style=\"width: 1010px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Murmeltiertag.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13696\" class=\"wp-image-13696 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Murmeltiertag.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Murmeltiertag.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Murmeltiertag-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wosonst.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/web_Deitsch_Murmeltiertag-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-13696\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The \u201cGrundsautag,\u201d Groundhog Day, on February 2nd in Bockenheim.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>The Groundhog Day? No.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner:<\/strong> In the original version, it was a badger, which would predict continuing wintertime if it saw its own shadow on February 2<sup>nd<\/sup>, on Candlemas. In Pennsylvania, however, there are no badgers, so the marmot would take over the role. Isn\u2019t it great that this custom is still alive on the other side of the Atlantic! By the way, we have re-imported this tradition: In 2020 we started celebrating the \u201cGrundsautag,\u201d Groundhog Day, on February 2<sup>nd<\/sup> in Bockenheim\u2014as long as there is no pandemic, of course, and with marmot Bert residing in a Palatinate wine barrel.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>wo sonst: <\/strong>Michael, thank you for being hiwwe!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Werner<\/strong>: You\u2019re welcome. Du bischt wilkum.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<p>If you would like to order a copy of the book \u201cHiwwe wie Driwwe \u2013 Der Pennsylvania ReiseVERf\u00fchrer\u201d please send an email to Dr. Michael Werner: <a href=\"mailto:info@hiwwe-wie-driwwe.de\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">info@hiwwe-wie-driwwe.de<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For Palatinate locals, a journey to Pennsylvania is a journey to their inner self. To their own language and culture of the past. For this is where the Pennsilfaanisch Deitsche live\u2014people, who emigrated from the Palatinate, and still maintain their old dialect. 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